I know many people try to deny the many prophecies in the Bible and try to
disprove them. However, let me point out one thing about Biblical
prophecies: 1) they tend to be very detailed, 2) they are fulfilled or
are in the process of being fulfilled. That's what differenciates a
prophecy from a prediction, right? A prediction made by a person tends
to be very vague and for the most part do not come true.
Now, keeping those ideas in mind, let's look at Daniel 9:24-27, which
predicts accurately and to the very day when the Messiah would reveal
Himself and be cut off from His people (killed). I ask that you read
through this carefully. I know it was a bit confusing when someone
first showed me this, but it really does make sense.
“Seventy weeks are determined upon
thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to
make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to
bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and
prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand,
that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build
Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and
threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the
wall, even in tribulous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall
the Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the
prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and
the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war
desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many
for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice
and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he
shall make it desolate, even until the consumation, and that determined
shall be poured upon the desolate.”
~Daniel 9:24-27, KJV
We know that when the first sixty-nine weeks starts is after a decree
is given to rebuild Jerusalem. That decree was given in 444 BC by King
Artaxerxes. However, we need to know how many years these sixty-nine
weeks is going to be. The weeks are weeks of years, we can figure out,
based on the seventieth week of Daniel being seven years long. This is
seen in Revelation 11:2-3; 12:6, 14; 13:5. Also, if these were literal
weeks, the Millenial Kingdom would have come just over a year after the
writing of Daniel chapter nine, but it did not. Also, we know they had
360 day years based on the fact that ancient Babylon, where he lived,
used a 360-day year, as well as ancient Assyria, India, Egypt, Persia,
China, and Central and South America.
Now that that is established, let’s figure out the year that this
passage is predicting. You can check my math with a calculator, if you
wish. So, 69x7 = 483 years. 483 years x 360 days = 173,880 days. Then,
we need to convert to solar years, so we divide 173,880 by 365.25,
which equals 476 solar years. Go forward 476 years from 444 BC, and you
have AD 32, but there was no year zero, so we have to add one, which
takes us to AD 33, the year that Christ was cut off (killed,
crucified). Pure coincidence? I would think not when this was written
many years before His birth, and especially since this prophecy goes
further and predicts the exact day that Christ revealed Himself
officially as the Messiah.
Let’s now go back to the day the decree was given – March 5, 444 BC.
So, March 5, 444 BC going forward 483 years. 483x360=173,880 days. One
solar year equals 365.2421978 days. We need to figure out how many
solar years this equals, so we divide 173,880 by 365.24219878, which
equals 476.06766299 years. 444 BC minus 476 years equals AD 32, and as
before you add one year due to the fact that there was no year zero,
which brings us to AD 33. Now, to figure out the day. .06766299
yr.x 365.24219878 days/year = 24.713379244 days, rounded becomes 25
days. March 5+25 days = March 30, AD 33 – the exact day that Christ
rode into Jerusalem, presenting Himself as Messiah. The prophecy this
fulfilled, as well, was Zechariah 9:9, which says: “Rejoice
greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold,
thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and
riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.” This was fulfilled in Luke 19:30ff, which says: “Saying,
Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering
ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and
bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus
shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. And they that
were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them. And
as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why
loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him. And they
brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and
they set Jesus thereon. And as he went, they spread their clothes in
the way. And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the
mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice
and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had
seen; Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord:
peace in heaven, and glory in the highest. And some of the Pharisees
from among the mulitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.
And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should
hold their peace, the tones would immediately cry out. And when he was
come near, he behld the city, and wept over it, Saying, If thou hadst
known, even thou, at least in this day, the things which belong unto
thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall
come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and
compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, And shall lay thee
even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not
leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time
of thy visitation.” He rode into Jerusalem on a colt of a donkey, fulfilling the prophecy of Zephaniah.
Then, the people of the prince mentioned in Daniel 9 were the Romans
who came in and destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70. The only thing not yet
fulfilled is the 70th week of Daniel, which will be fulfilled during
the Tribulation period. Look at the book of Revelation,
and you will see it is referring to the same thing as the latter part
of Daniel 9. The fulfillment of these prophecies cannot be mere
coincidence. To have it to the exact day and the exact year? Nothing
can explain that other than it is prophecy from God. Who else revealed
himself as the Messiah on March 30, AD 33 and was cut off only four
days later? Who else could fulfil this prophecy?
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June 27 2005, 00:03:55 UTC 6 years ago
That one coincides with the Daniel 9 verse that says "he was cut off".
I suppose if you were a first century Jew and you were very religious and you were familiar with these texts, you would write about it to tell the rest of the world, too.
June 27 2005, 00:31:28 UTC 6 years ago
And actually, those who believed in a coming Messiah never expected him to be a crucified messiah - so it's not as if they saw Jesus, watched him be crucified, and then said "oh hey, this is the guy we were waiting for!" unless they were absolutely convinced beyond a doubt that Jesus was the Messiah. (after all, to have/believe in a crucified Messiah would've been an embarrassment ... if it hadn't been for the fact that he was resurrected, etc.)
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I would suggest looking into...
...the writings of Flavius Josephus. A Historian, Roman and Jew. In his histories of the Jews he reports on the existance of Jesus and James the brother of Jesus (bishop of the Church at Jerusalem) and was personally present for the crucifixion of James.Deleted comment
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You do know that this is more evidence of the inspiration of Scripture? Keep posting these kinds of things and you will have a hand in refuting the false teaching that the scripture is inspired but not inerrant.
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June 28 2005, 02:09:27 UTC 6 years ago
Daniel
The six stories and four dream-visions of the book of Daniel make up the first great work of apocalyptic, later examples of which are 1 Enoch, Syriac Baruch, and the New Testament book of Revelation. These apocalypses come from times of national or community tribulation, and are not actual history, but, through symbols and signs, are interpretations of current history with its background and predictions of a future where tribulations and sorrows will give place to triumph and peace. The Apocalyptists usually set forth their messages under the name of some ancient worthy, e.g. Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, or some figure of note.The book appears under the name of Daniel, or Dan'el, a worthy twice referred to in Ezekiel (14.14; 28.3), and whose name appears also in the North Canaanite clay tablet texts found at Ras 'Shamra. The author was a pious Jew living under the persecution of Antiochus Epiphanes, 167 - 164 B.C.E. To encourage his suffering fellow-believers he tells six stories, set in earlier days in Babylon just before and just after the Persian conquest, which illustrate how faithful Jews, loyally practicing their religion, were enabled by divine aid to triumph over their enemies. Then in four visions he ventures to interpret current history and predict the coming consummation when the "saints" will have ultimate victory. His book was originally written in Aramaic, and the section from 2.4b to 7.28 is still in Aramaic, though the remainder is now in Hebrew.
Regarding 9:25 - 27: as we do not know his date for the 'going forth of the word', we can only guess that his princely 'anointed one' may have been Cyrus, or Zerubbabel, or Jeshua, and the one 'cut off' Philopator, or Jason, or Onias III. The 'prince who is to come' is doubtless Antiochus, who himself wrought such desolation, made a covenant with the Hellenizing Jews, and offered the abominations of heathen sacrifice in the temple. Also, re: time, seven weeks, i.e. forty-nine years; sixty-two weeks, i.e. 434 years; one week, i.e. seven years; half a week, i.e. three and one-half years.
Truth will not be gotten at by meddling the facts, but by embracing them, feeling the fear (and trembling) of the subsequent disillusion, and having sought, finding then. That is, if there is truth to be found in the holy scriptures and life of Christ Jesus (and I believe there is), it will not be a superficial truth (c.f. Matth. 12:39). Embrace the humanness and tenuousness of these documents. Embrace it, and when you realize that they are as flawed as our own pathetic lives (in the Greek sense), and when you are disillusioned and afraid, pray to your God in Heaven, and you will find truth (or it will find you, but there wouldn't seem to be much difference). Those documents will after a time seem more precious and beatiful than ever before - but not because there's a trick to them.
June 28 2005, 02:47:15 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Daniel
The book appears under the name of Daniel, or Dan'el, a worthy twice referred to in Ezekiel (14.14; 28.3), and whose name appears also in the North Canaanite clay tablet texts found at Ras 'Shamra. The author was a pious Jew living under the persecution of Antiochus Epiphanes, 167 - 164 B.C.E. To encourage his suffering fellow-believers he tells six stories, set in earlier days in Babylon just before and just after the Persian conquest, which illustrate how faithful Jews, loyally practicing their religion, were enabled by divine aid to triumph over their enemies. Then in four visions he ventures to interpret current history and predict the coming consummation when the "saints" will have ultimate victory. His book was originally written in Aramaic, and the section from 2.4b to 7.28 is still in Aramaic, though the remainder is now in Hebrew.Not exactly.. ;]
http://www.tektonics.org/af/danieldefen
June 28 2005, 03:05:37 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Daniel
Thanks for sharing the link. I'm going to have to read this completely through later.June 28 2005, 02:48:39 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Daniel
By the way, you might want to cite a source. Quite a bit of this is more than a little flawed.June 28 2005, 03:03:55 UTC 6 years ago
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You try to present it as though I am meddling with the facts. I'm merely seeing the interpretation, and I have prayed for understanding. Also, likening an inspired book unto some books I'm assuming are from the Apocrypha (1 Enoch and Syriac Baruch) -- though I am not getting into how it can be told which are inspired under this post, perhaps I'll make a completely separate post for discussion on that topic -- doesn't work.While it is true that the Bible at times does use symbols and signs instead of the actual thing, it is clear when the stories are symbols. Christ's parables, for example.
What makes the Bible beautiful is that it the inspired, inerrent Word of God, not any symbolism used, though sure that is beautiful. You can tell when something is a prophecy. It's quite clear here. If it weren't for prophecies, there would be no confirmation of the Bible. Then, there'd be no one believing in the same God the Jews do/did. There'd still be need for sacrificial laws, etc., as there would be no proof for Christ as Messiah, so therefore, God might still require the sin offering, etc. Prophecies are a major portion of what prooves the inerrancy and inspiration of the Bible.
I will say even if we aren't 100% sure who wrote a book, it does not change that it contains prophecies that have come true.
Regarding 9:25 - 27: as we do not know his date for the 'going forth of the word', we can only guess that his princely 'anointed one' may have been Cyrus, or Zerubbabel, or Jeshua, and the one 'cut off' Philopator, or Jason, or Onias III. The 'prince who is to come' is doubtless Antiochus, who himself wrought such desolation, made a covenant with the Hellenizing Jews, and offered the abominations of heathen sacrifice in the temple. Also, re: time, seven weeks, i.e. forty-nine years; sixty-two weeks, i.e. 434 years; one week, i.e. seven years; half a week, i.e. three and one-half years.
Explain to me why then it does mention the rebuilding of the "holy city," Jerusalem? http://www.christiananswers.net/diction
Also, clear that the prince is some other historical figure? It mentions clearly the word "Messiah," not just prince. The prince later on is the Anti-Christ.
June 28 2005, 04:22:26 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Daniel
I wouldn't go as far as to state that "not any symbolism used" ... the Bible has many symbols, especially in the apocalyptic texts. The Revelation of John contains mannnnyyyyyy symbols.6 years ago
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Truth will not be gotten at by meddling the facts, but by embracing them, feeling the fear (and trembling) of the subsequent disillusion, and having sought, finding then. That is, if there is truth to be found in the holy scriptures and life of Christ Jesus (and I believe there is), it will not be a superficial truth (c.f. Matth. 12:39).
When Christ speaks of seeking after signs, He's quite clearly not denying prophecy. The Jews even were expecting the coming of the Messiah around this time who knew anything about prophecy, possibly because of prophecies like this. The wise men who came were clearly watching. Things like healing, tongues, etc. would be signs that people seek in these days that should not be sought after, as we should live by faith. I do not believe in God or His Word merely because of prophecy. I believed by God's grace far before I ever knew of prophecies such as this. The thing is, God does reveal Himself in things such as creation (Ro. 1) and prophecy is another thing which He uses. People should not believe merely because they've seen things like this, but God does use strong proof such as the prophecy to lead people to Him. These things for me at least and many other believers merely strengthen our faith, show us that God is indeed real, even though we already believed it by faith. It's a blessed thing that He does prove Himself real, though many like to deny it.
Embrace the humanness and tenuousness of these documents. Embrace it, and when you realize that they are as flawed as our own pathetic lives (in the Greek sense), and when you are disillusioned and afraid, pray to your God in Heaven, and you will find truth (or it will find you, but there wouldn't seem to be much difference). Those documents will after a time seem more precious and beatiful than ever before - but not because there's a trick to them.
I cannot say this is a fallable text, not when there are texts that mention inspiration (such as II Timothy 3:16), not when the Bible proves itself. Men cannot come up with such things as this and end up having them be 100% true.
June 28 2005, 03:08:25 UTC 6 years ago
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You might look at Yahvah's comment up there, as far as a counter reference, showing that the Messiah's crucifixion and such being the same thing as His being cut off. That Isaiah verse shows what the Daniel verse is speaking of by "cut off."June 28 2005, 03:49:40 UTC 6 years ago
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Well friend, I suppose we do not see eye to eye on this issue. Reasons for personal faith would not correspond of necessity. I am reminded even, as often in these sometimes savage venues, of the seventh 'abusio' of Pseudo-Cyprian, from that strange yet illuminating 7th c. work of Christian exegesis De Duodecim Abusivis Saeculi, wherein there is solemnly stated:Septimus abusionis gradus est Christianus contentiosus, qui cum participationem nominis Christi per fidem et baptismum suscipit, contra Christi dicta et propositum mundi caduca delectamenta diligit.
There is not an English edition available, so I will translate:
A seventh kind of catachresis is the contentious Christian, who, though he has undertaken a sharing in the name of Christ through faith and baptism, esteems, against Christ's words and teaching, the empty amusements of the world.
I have stated my opinion, you yours. Let us not be contentious.
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Re: Daniel
Daniel spoke of being cut off, but not of resurrection. There's a specificity here that is seriously lacking. Perhaps he meant "Thrown out of his family's house", "Excommunicated from the church", or "Banished from his tribe". Sounds like so much revisionist rationalization to me.